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Post by Peyton Sawyer on Jun 7, 2011 20:08:44 GMT
We need something to keep us talking until season three starts...so what do we think is going to go down?
I've started this thread but I have nothing more than the obvious e.g. Damon and Elena going to find Stefan.
But my best friend has finally finished it and we were just talking about the whole Klaus/Stefan thing, the main thing being: what is Klaus up to?
He seemed to have a very distinct interest in having Stefan on his side but the question is why? Not only does it seem odd to me that out of the two Salvatore brothers, you'd pick Stefan to be your pyshcotic side-kick, where is Klaus going and what is he planning to do? We think he must have something specific he wants to do because I got the impression it was more than just going on a murderous rampage and creating a new breed of wolfpires.
So what are we speculating?
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Post by Lorelai Gilmore on Jun 8, 2011 14:45:14 GMT
Thats the bit I can't work out, is that Klaus didn't seem to just want any random vampire, he wanted Stefan and I don't get why, (I mean I would pick Stefan- but thats for totally different reasons ;D)
Like you said out of the Salvatore brothers it seems odd he would go for Stefan.
But I'm looking forward to Paul Wesley possibly playing pyshcotic, as long as it doesn't last too long.
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Post by Marisa on Jun 12, 2011 6:51:39 GMT
I actually see why he would pick Stefan. During flashbacks Stefan was always worse than Damon. He can be a truly evil person and Klaus is probably hoping to not only bring that out but make it work for him. I don't know what he wants with him exactly but maybe he watched Stefan in the past or something I am not sure. I like the idea because Paul will get to switch it up but yes I don't want it to last all season  I think we may get more Damon and Elena along with maybe some Katherine. It would be interesting to see the dynamic without Stefan considering both women seem to choose him over Damon. I think that Anna may not be vengeful but from what I have seen of Vicki talking it seems she is. Maybe she is going to try and get to Jeremy somehow don't know how exactly. |
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Post by Peyton Sawyer on Jun 12, 2011 17:18:01 GMT
See I never really 'got' those flashbacks. I don't know if its a small flaw in the writing or my bias towards Stefan lol When we had those flashbacks to when Stefan was first turned and Lexi turned up, Stefan was going on about how he was like Damon but worse but I just didn't see it. He'd only just been turned, he didn't know how to be anything different. But Damon does (at this point, he wouldn't have done so then either). The only way they seemed to make him worse than Damon was to have Damon being a real pansy - but then that just makes me confused as to how and why he is such a git now when he wants to be. (Wow, apologies for that rambling / rant). I think they're planning on introducing some other parts of Stefan's life when he has gone off the rails and these will form the basis of why Klaus wants him but I thought he'd been good all that time? After meeting Lexi, I'd find it hard to believe he fell off the wagon. I COULD go for more Lexi flashbacks though, that show us him falling off and her being there to pick him back up ;D I read an interview with Kevin Williamson (I'll try and find it again) and he basically said that Klaus has a specific plan and reason for wanting Stefan and that they will be exploring the ways in which the Salvatores are tied up with the Originals I was also under the impression that the rest of the Originals were dead but it's their bodies that were being loaded up at the end wasn't it? I'm not sure about Anna/Vicky. From what I can gather, I'm not entirely convinced they're evil and I don't think they're ghosts... |
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Post by Marisa on Jun 13, 2011 6:12:37 GMT
It is hard to believe it is not just you. Stefan just seems so I don't know Stefan not that he can do no wrong but he is always the sensible one out of the brothers. I don't know why Damon is the way he is now or how he became that way. Maybe he grew even harder after Katherine was gone for all those years I don't know.
I could always use more Lexi I love her.
Oh okay well that sounds interesting. I think they are alive well not alive but they can be brought back so many questions lol.
I was wondering that because they were both vampires. I thought that would have something to do with it. I mean a ghost but a ghost that was already un-dead? That is something else all together.
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Post by Peyton Sawyer on Jun 18, 2011 17:32:53 GMT
I know what you mean. Stefan is usually so rational and Damon is the impulsive one. I hope we dig further into their past and see how, when and why that changed because it obviously does change dramatically.
I can kind of see why Stefan did what he did in deciding to do as Klaus wanted. They always say how when you turn that humanity on, you feel everything so much more than the average human. So it makes sense that if he felt that strongly about saving Damon, he would do more than the average would do and go to greater lengths to ensure it happened. The only thing I worry about is that he will get beyond the point of return. I don't ever expect to see the same Stefan again. I think the Stefan of season 1 and 2 is gone forever. A part of me thinks he can put it on and act as Klaus wants him too but I can't say for sure he's strong enough. Even if we get him back on the 'good side' the guilt he will feel will be immeasurable. I think he'll become a very dark character over the next season.
In the interview Kevin said that he had always wanted to look out bringing people back from the dead, but at the same time wanted to maintain that things have their consequences and that death has consequences. It'll be very interesting because it seems to me that Kevin doesn't want this to become something that could happen to everyone; i.e. Jenna coming back too, etc.
I find myself wandering about next season and all these questions so much, it's so frustrating!
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Post by Marisa on Jun 23, 2011 0:15:11 GMT
Very interesting points Peyton and I agree with them all I think your right about Stefan he won't be the same anymore. Hopefully that isn't a 100% bad thing.
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Post by True Love on Aug 24, 2011 11:48:56 GMT
I really don't get why he wants Stefan.
He obviously heard about Salvatore brothers, as we heard when Damon came in the apartment to tell him he released Tyler and Caroline. He knew Damon is the rough one, but for some reason, he wants Stefan.
I doubt that has anything to do with the doppelganger since he got what he wanted, he's a hybrid now. Also, he said to Stefan he's going to help him find Katherine when Stefan said to him she's not going to come back.. maybe he wants Stefan and Katherine together because they're a key to something?
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Post by Peyton Sawyer on Sept 4, 2011 0:39:58 GMT
I doubt that has anything to do with the doppelganger since he got what he wanted, he's a hybrid now. Also, he said to Stefan he's going to help him find Katherine when Stefan said to him she's not going to come back.. maybe he wants Stefan and Katherine together because they're a key to something? That's a possibility. I'd taken that as him meaning they would find her and make her regret not taking it to Damon if that happened to be the case. *spoilers/speculations here on out beware!* New tidbits from Paul Wesley have got me thinking: ”In the first couple of episodes, there’s still a lot of one-foot-in, one-foot-out of this situation he’s in,” Wesley tells EW. “Something’s gonna happen that drastically changes that, and then at that point, he commits and doesn’t look back. Then he can really enjoy it.
“There’s gonna be a lot of killing. As far as Stefan is concerned, he can never go back to his old life. Imagine Stefan sitting in high school. Apart from the fact that I just look weird sitting in high school,” he laughs, “he’s murdered all these people. What do you think, we’re just gonna go hang out now? As far as he’s concerned, he’s moved on. He’s past it all.”I'd already thought that we wouldn't see Stefan all out straight away so the foot in, foot out bit makes sense. As for that drastic thing that changes him? The only thing I can think of to really make him go off at the deep end, is someone (*cough* Katherine *cough*) telling him about Damon/Elena and what happened at the end of S2. Stefan has fought the good fight so hard and in the last two years he's fought it for Elena and Damon. They're the only two people who could do something that would make him think it's not worth it and that he should just let it all go. Paul Wesley makes it seem like it's a very final step for Stefan to just move past it all and move on in a new direction and I think his feelings for Damon and Elena need to change for him to do that. Anyway, just babbling away with my thoughts here lol |
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Post by True Love on Sept 4, 2011 13:49:21 GMT
That's exactly what I thought. I've also read that something will push Stefan deeper in the darkness after few episodes, and I've read that Katherine will be back around episode 5, and in one interview Paul said Stefan will find out about the kiss and won't be glad.. so, to me that seems logical.. he'll find out about the kiss from Katherine, and bye bye Stefan..
The thing I'm afraid of is that Angelus storyline will happen.. I'm afraid Stefan will be so lost in himself that he'll try to hurt Elena in one way or another.
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Post by Peyton Sawyer on Sept 5, 2011 16:35:17 GMT
The thing I'm afraid of is that Angelus storyline will happen.. I'm afraid Stefan will be so lost in himself that he'll try to hurt Elena in one way or another. I don't think he will. Vampires are dealt with differently in this universe. If Damon hasn't her, Stefan won't. It's as simple as that for me. Besides, I think Stefan is verging on being too old to "switch it off" completely - Rose said you get to a point where you just get good at pretending, you can't turn it off as easily as you can when you're first turned. |
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Post by True Love on Sept 5, 2011 21:53:13 GMT
The thing I'm afraid of is that Angelus storyline will happen.. I'm afraid Stefan will be so lost in himself that he'll try to hurt Elena in one way or another. I don't think he will. Vampires are dealt with differently in this universe. If Damon hasn't her, Stefan won't. It's as simple as that for me. Besides, I think Stefan is verging on being too old to "switch it off" completely - Rose said you get to a point where you just get good at pretending, you can't turn it off as easily as you can when you're first turned. Now I see I expressed myself in a wrong way. I don't believe he'll hurt her, not physically anyway, and I don't think he'll turn of his feelings.. I think that's impossible for him.. and if he ever did that, it would only prove that his love for Elena is not as strong as any of us thought, so I really don't think that will happen. What I mean was, I think he'll be hurt. He'll be hurt by the fact, that while he was saving his brother, his brother was kissing his girlfriend. To make things worse, his girlfriend was kissing his brother. I think that will hurt him in the unimaginable ways.. and I think he'll try to push her away because he thinks there's not way back for him. He knows Klaus is not just going to let him go like that.. they made a deal with no expiration date. Also, now when he's drinking human blood again, I think he'll feel once again like he's not worthy of her. To be honest, I was so afraid she'll forget about him.. that she will surrender herself to Damon. Now I'm more afraid of what Stefan might do.. like push her away for her own sake. Stefan is always trying to keep Elena safe by protection people she loves, because unlike Damon who's always protecting her, Stefan knows Elena couldn't handle loosing one more person from her life. Especially not Bonnie, Jeremy, Matt, Caroline.. Stefan respects her enough to let her make her own decisions, and once she does, he does everything in his power to protect her. I don't think Damon quite understands her.. he's trying to keep HER alive, to save HER, but what he doesn't understand that she would die for people she loves, and that without them, she would be dead from the inside, so then it really wouldn't matter if she was dead from the outside as well. Stefan understands that. But what Stefan keeps missing is that he's one of those people. That he's the one who's worth saving. He's always sacrificing himself for Elena and people she loves, without thinking how much will she miss him.. because he loves her selflessly. |
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Post by melbell on Sept 13, 2011 5:07:53 GMT
I've been avoiding the VD section of the board because I had missed the last 5 episodes of season 2 but I'm all caught up now so...
Vicky and Anna are definately "consequences" of the dead witches helping Bonnie bring Jeremy back...and I definately think it's going to cause problems in their relationship.
I also agree that Klaus has very specific plans and reasons for chosing Stefan. When Stefan tried to offer himself as a replacement for Jenna in the sacrafice, Klaus said then that he had reasons for wanting Stefan to live...also I think it has something to do with Stefan being a "ripper". That seemed to be important to Klaus.
Caroline and Tyler better get together or I'm going to freak out!
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