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Post by Peyton Sawyer on Apr 29, 2011 12:19:36 GMT
Um...wow? A seriously phenomenal episode right there!
So may things to say...
Firstly, I am so angry with Damon. What he did absolutely disgusted me. It was so selfish and just plain cruel. His impulsiveness is something I am starting to lose my tolerance for. Elena was right, he doesn't know what love is, how he could force that on her because its what he wants?! ARGH. On the other hand, I'm gutted for him at the end.
Secondly, I love Stefan. I love him for encouraging Elena to be honest, knowing exactly what she was going to say but wanting her to say it anyway because she needed to. He has never been selfish with her, he could never do what Damon did, it's not a case of not having the courage. I've seen a lot of people saying Stefan doesn't love her as much because he's just 'letting' her sacrifice herself as opposed to Damon who's trying to stop it but if you're gonna look at the events of this episode and see who loves her the most, it's Stefan.
Damon is a bit of an idiot. Did he seriously not think Elijah would have it covered? I'm still angry with him lol
And Jenna?! I thought it was going to be Stefan so did not see that coming. It was a very cruel thing to do. Something I hope Klaus dies for!
A really awesome episode. So emotional, I loved it!
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Post by Marisa on May 2, 2011 12:39:11 GMT
POST CONTAINS SPOILERS!! I would be pissed at Damon if I didn't think Elena and Stefan were two of the biggest hypocrites at that moment. Stefan did the exact same thing to Damon, he brought him into this world because he didn't want to be separated yet when Damon does it for the same reason Stefan goes ballistic? That kind of irritated me and made me mad at the two of them. I don't know who I think loves Elena more but at this point I don't care. I mean Stefan and Damon are always fighting. I can't believe Damon stabbed Stefan yet I can because he is obviously unstable. Stefan should never fight him Damon is stronger and in the end I am afraid he would kill him. I don't want that to happen. I love Damon and Alaric I am so glad that one person will always be there for him no matter what. That friendship is really good. Their friendship is most believable to me so far besides for Tyler/Caroline. I love Klaus yet I hate him. I am mad at what he did to Jenna but I am not sure if I think she will die. The person who mostly infuriated me this episode is Caroline's mom. She has to go in my mind lol I mean if she doesn't die in the finale I will be mad because that is one more spot for one of my favorites to be killed. I am confused with Caroline's moms logic. I thought these vampires had souls? It isn't like Buffy I mean they never said they didn't did they? If so I forgot about it. Damon won't die I am sure of that I mean if they killed him half their fan base would be gone so many people love him. I am not worried about him and Stefan at all. Elena either I just think if push comes to shove they will turn her Damon was pretty stupid but I was glad that he got in front of Caroline. I am mainly worried about Caroline she is my favorite female actually the only female I really really love so if anything happened to her I would be upset. I missed Tyler! Peyton what do you think of Greta the female witch? I feel kind of bad that her brother and dad died and she didn't even want to be saved. I thought she was under compulsion at first but now I don't. Is next week the season finale? |
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Post by Peyton Sawyer on May 2, 2011 13:41:30 GMT
See, the fact that Damon did the same thing Stefan did to him doesn't stop me being angry with Damon. It makes it worse. It makes Damon the hypocrite. When Stefan turned him against his will (although Katherine did the first bit don't forget) Damon decided to hate him for eternity but now it's okay for him to do it to someone else? As for Stefan being a hypocrite over it? He's clearly changed a lot in 145 years. He regrets what he did to Damon, he knows it was wrong but he didn't know any better back then. I think his reaction stems from several places: one, what I've said above. Damon hates his brother for doing it to him so how dare he do it to somebody else; two, Damon will now forever carry the guilt and remorse that Stefan does and he's probably worried Damon won't handle it and will just switch his humanity back off again and three, he continues to show no care for Elena's wishes and has done THE one thing she did not want to happen. (I'm not ranting at you, lol, I'm ranting at Damon. I've been thinking about it since Friday) I'd disagree about the strength too. In season one, Damon was stronger, easily. But Stefan is back on human blood again. He beat the holy crap out of Damon and I wouldn't bet Damon could beat him. One thing about Stefan? When he's pissed, he's strong. Caroline's mum is a douche. The only thing I am thankful for is that she's way too stupid to actually do much harm. That being said, she's also stupid enough to cause a lot lol. They haven't really brought in the concept of souls. I think they use that 'switch' analogy. If they want to, they can feel no remorse and embrace the vampire side. Or they can retain human emotion. We're working on another mythology here. Elijah's recount of the Originals has opened up a huge background so I'm not prepared to answer that one fully yet lol. Either way, Matt is right, she is the same old Caroline and I was proud that he finally grew a pair and took a stand. I'm still worried about Stefan. I can't help it. Apparently Klaus will be taking a special interest in Stefan and that does not bode well for him. Hmm, Greta? I don't think she's compelled. I think there could be something going on with her and Klaus, or there could be and that's why she has stuck around. That or she just went down the wrong road with her power. Next week's episode it 221, so the penultimate episode. It carries on where last week left off, with the ritual and what happens throughout the rest of the night. Whether its resolved or not I don't know. My guess would be that it is resolved, and that the finale sets up season 3 like what happened last time. |
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Post by Marisa on May 2, 2011 16:57:24 GMT
LOL it is okay Peyton rant away! I know how this show can make people feel you get so invested. Plus I love having discussions with you.
I really see your points the difference between Stefan and Damon will most likely always be that Stefan thinks and really feels remorse where as it takes Damon time to catch up. I was just so mad that Stefan hit Damon and Damon staked him I was ranting myself. You are right though. I just wish Stefan would have seen it from the same place he did originally. I can't believe Damon would do that after he hated Stefan and your right I don't think Damon can live with the consequences. I think he went into snap judgement at the thought of Elena dying. He needs to breath in and out sometimes.
See I was thinking of the human blood but with Damon randomly drinking human blood and killing people I was worried. I like it when Stefan gets mad he is very powerful I just worry, I am still processing that Damon stabbed his own brother!
I was going to call her a superdouche but didn't know if that was appropriate glad you said it lol. She is so dumb and I am glad Matt stood up to her.
See that being said about Caroline being the same it is so different and I am loving it but it just irritated me how her mother said that for some reason. Maybe it is because I love Caroline and like Matt said she is exactly the same.
I hope Elijah sticks around I love hearing about the originals.
Are you serious?? Stefan he is like a off limits as well to me. You get rid of the brother dynamic what do you have? I don't like what i am hearing in that spoiler.
I was waiting for Klaus to say to Damon you know my brother was in love with my girl too. The way Klaus is just so calm is kind of scary.
I got the hint there was something going on with her and Klaus as well. I would not be shocked. See before we met her I was like oh poor girl now I am like that girl is there willing and I say poor dad and brother.
Oh ok thanks I am like freaking out! All I know is this season is pretty strong and with all the twists and turns of season one you don't think they would be able to top it and they sure have.
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Post by Peyton Sawyer on May 2, 2011 19:18:13 GMT
I know, it was horrible to see them fight. I wasn't so surprised by Stefan going for him, I expected him to. But Damon stabbing him was a 'woah' moment. Did you see Damon's face though? Stefan smashed him! I really loved how despite her confusion, Jenna just did as Elena asked and got him the blood. A real defining moment for her I thought. Alaric is one of those characters that can just understand people and their actions I think. I love that he was there for Damon, but I think it stemmed from recognising that even though what Damon did was terrible, he could recognise why he did it and knew that Damon physically needed to make amends. Alaric gives Damon the compassion I can't lol The thing annoying me most about Liz Forbes is that when she first found out, she reached the point where she called also see that Caroline was still Caroline, and beyond that a better version of herself. I know she was compelled to forget that feeling but if she got there once, why can't she get there again? I think we'll be hearing a lot more about the Originals next season. There's like 7 of them or something isn't there? I'm gonna say what my speculations are but I'll spoiler tag them: Stefan wil do whatever it takes to cure Damon. And I think it will come down to killing Tyler. I think the cure to a werewolf bite will lie in the wolf that did it.
I also think that the doppelganger could relate to Klaus and Elijah's mother. I think there's a possibility Katherine and Elena are doppelgangers of her. I totally agree that this is one show that gets better and better. I can't wait for the next two episodes. It's going to an emotional ride. |
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Post by Marisa on May 3, 2011 13:28:19 GMT
Yeah he did it is weird to see them bleed I forget they are not invincible. Did you also see Damon's face when he stabbed Stefan he himself looks shocked it happened. Haha yeah he does. I mean it is just nice for him to have a friend because for a while there he was the only one who didn't you know what I mean? Alaric is a great character I love him a lot which is weird because the note he came on in made me think I wouldn't he has come so far. I don't know! She is being very one sided not everything is so black and white that is what irritates me. I mean she should sit down and have a talk with Caroline if anything and hear her explain how things came to be the way they are. I mean Caroline is one of the sweetest girls ever you see how she just welcomed Tyler back? After he just stood there I don't know if I could be as sweet as her so fast just out of instinct lol. That is why I also worry for Caroline as well. OH MY GOSH good theories Peyton you need to be writing for this show. Those things would be so great. I was thinking that witch Greta could figure something out for Damon. She is way more experienced than Bonnie and seems to know things that others don't. I just don't know if they would kill Tyler yet that would leave no werewolves. Now if they did your theory makes the best sense and I could be ok with it after a while lol. As long as Stefan and Damon are okay. I am actually shocked that Damon even went in front of Caroline and them. Maybe first reaction but that shocked me a lot. Damon is usually so about Damon so to do that is weird. Your right emotional the next two weeks are going to be brutal the week in between episodes is going to seem like a year. I remember last year just watching the previews over and over. |
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Post by True Love on Aug 24, 2011 12:00:26 GMT
I was so mad at Damon. Furious. And that's why I could never see him with Elena.. he doesn't respect her wishes like Stefan does. He learned that he can't control people, but you can't do that to the person you truly love.
What Stefan did for Elena was beautiful. I couldn't take the smile of my face.
When she said to him "Close your eyes", that reminded me of Buffy and Angel. Which was even more tragic for me.
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